New York Civil and Criminal Courts Bar Association Logo New York Criminal & Civil Courts Bar Association
Founded in 1893 in New York City
"Great benefits for New York State Attorneys!"

30 Vesey Street, Suite 1400, New York, New York 10007
Phone: 212-766-4030
NYCCCBA E-mail
Hon. Francis M. Alessandro, President
Sidney Siller, Executive Director
  
Home |
Announcements | Articles | Contact Us | History | Join | Officers | CLE | Insurance | Optical
Articles

New Lawyers and their Transition into the Marketplace
by Thomas F. Liotti
[continued from prior page]

Q - Going back on your experience, let's focus for a moment on the late eighties into the nineties up until the present time, has it been difficult for women in particular out in the suburbs here in Nassau County and Suffolk County to break into the matrimonial law field as attorneys?

A - Traditionally women have had a difficult time in law.

Q - Why is that?

A - Prejudice, male chauvinism. It is particularly true in terms of good cases. The good cases, even the women, want experienced lawyers, and usually women in the field are relatively new in my lifetime, my career. They have come into the filed - - when I went to law school, we had six women in a class of 300. Today the women - - it is about half now at Hofstra, I just saw a statistic.

Women are predominating more and more. I think it will take another one or two generations before they hit equality with men in terms of recognition and respect.

I think that men would prefer to go to a male lawyer and some of the women would prefer male lawyers because of the feeling of experience. Women have not been that well established in the law field for the last hundred years as have men. That has an impact, so we find that the women in the field, at least in the last ten years, the new ones coming into the field, have these low end cases representing most women.

That has been my observation in terms of being in court, talking with lawyers. I think it will be another generation or more before that changes. I think that women have a very difficult time in law getting the respect that they deserve.

Q - You spoke about gender bias among our colleagues and members of the bar. Is there also gender bias, in your opinion, stemming from the judiciary on down to the lawyers who come before you?

A - I would say so. There have been complaints made to the Commission on Judicial Conduct for that reason. I have personally observed a difference of attitude. I could not pinpoint specifically a judge dealing with a woman differently from a man just on the gender basis, but I kind of sense it by being in a courtroom and seeing what happens. That's my opinion. That's based on my observations.

I think women have a tough time in the role of attorney, particularly the younger ones. I know there is one judge in Suffolk County who loves to have young women in his courtroom to crucify them. I believe there have been complaints.



skip navigation

Page 8 of 9

EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR THE GRIEVANCE COMMITTEE:

Q - Mr. DaSilva, I found your testimony fascinating. I will use some of it in my work here. You are better than my family law teacher.

Mr. DaSilva, you testified that you often have a minimum fee which is stated in your retainer, but that you still keep hourly time. Could you explain why you do that?

A - The minimum fee is based upon case law that you are permitted to do it. There is no such thing as a non-refundable fee. You are permitted to have a minimum fee under the Court Rules governing matrimonial cases providing the retainer letter states the basis for the minimum fee.

However, in the event that your services are terminated prior to the conclusion of the case by way of settlement or trial, the judgment, or, in the event of a reconciliation of the parties, you are required to refund to the client all of the money not consumed by your time rates if you are going on a basic time rate.

I maintain that if I, for example, received a retainer of $10,000 and the client says to me after a period of time that she and her husband are reconciling, they want to terminate my services or go to a different lawyer or for whatever reason, I simply add up my time records to see whatever that is and see how much I have earned of the retainer and refund the balance.

Q - You made a differentiation between clients that come in with a great many assets and those you characterize as lower end clients. How you characterize that client; do you believe you have the same obligations to that client no matter what position they are in as an attorney?

A - Absolutely, because even the client with minimal assets is a human being with the same rights and the same privileges and the same expectations as the person with a lot of money. There is no difference.

Again, I said the difference is where you place the decimal point, but the work and the way you treat the client, what you have to do is exactly the same.

You are dealing with issues and how to handle issues. It is the same whether you have a low end or a high end client. You have to devote the same kind of attention and responsibility to both clients. It makes no difference.

Click here to go to the next page of this article

Copyright © 2001 NY Criminal & Civil Courts Bar Association. All Rights Reserved.
Last Reviewed/Modified:
Site Designed by CatLady Enterprises Web Design